Random Questions...

originally posted by Vicki C

I think I assumed that it was a punishment more from the comments and asides that other (ie not F7) characters have mentioned. Janny, is it right that the 'common man' had the same view of Davien's rendering as we did?

Traitor's Knot will give you all a little more insight…as this thread deepens and broadens.

"Answers" at this point would but definitely be spoilers.

Vicki C - regarding your question - I can't really answer unless I can understand your parameters: define what you mean by "common man" - at this point in Athera's history, each faction of mankind will lean toward a different viewpoint - radically biased in accord with what they hold in belief.

originally posted by Leo James

Would I be right in thinking that Davien as discorporate would be unable to open the Rockfell pit and as he released the last contents (Iyats - I think) it could have been an attempt to make a repeat performance difficult.

originally posted by Konran

If I'm correct, Davien as corporate wouldn't be able to open Rockfell either. Doesn't it take one corporate and one discorporate Sorcerer to do the job?

originally posted by Vicki C

Hmm, sorry Janny. I guess my assumption was that all thought that he had been rendered discorporate as a punishment, but that the differing factions disagreed as to whether his act needed punishment or not.
In trying to remember back to where I picked this impression up from, I can’t think of a single quote. It’s a fabric of various comments and they have come from Koriani, Town, Clan and Arithon himself, I think.
Personally, I'd be most interested to know what the clans feel happened; what they think the reasoning for his changed state-of-being was.
*sigh* I guess I really should just wait for the book itself!

Vicki - the clans' attitude toward Davien was quite vividly displayed by Hewall and the scout escorting Arithon through the Mathorns in Peril's Gate - when they encounter Davien, they display open distrust and enmity, and but definitely don't want him in Arithon's proximity - this bias would be due to left over rancor from the uprising and the death of the High Kings, and the upset of old law, which has demonstrably left the clans hanging on - out on a limb and persecuted, in a struggle to survive.

They'd feel the Sorcerer's state was "deserved justice" and probably not look any deeper into the matter. If you think you saw a Fellowship Sorcerer say "punishment" - look again…it didn't happen. Bias would have been read "into" their very specifically noncommital statements…one needs to look at the words on the page most closely, and without coloring them with presuppositions.

This series is all about overturning presuppositions - the readers' and the characters. So don't feel dumb if you get the whiplash - it's part and parcel of how this story rips off the layers of presupposition. Understanding means wearing the shoe on the other foot - and that means, changing the angle of view in opposition.

originally posted by skeoke

Was Davien dis-corporated to protect him from the High Kings' (heirs) justice?

{Popped into my head last night while I wasn't sleeping.}

originally posted by Michael Pearson

If Davien was rendered discorporate by the rest of the F7, doesn't he had to request or at least agree to it, because of the Law of the Major Balance.

originally posted by Neil

Skeoke,

I would imagine that an F7 with all his faculties intact could avoid all but the most troublesome of humans…but then who knows what a high king could do with his jewels if he chose?

I guess that when Davien was rendered discorporate, the high kings were no longer in control so it's a mute point perhaps…

Nice idea though and we know that F7 don't want Arithon aware of his crown jewels fucntions…curious that a masterbard law would not encompass this kind of knowledge? Maybe the royal jewels are a well kept secret.

Michael,

I would guess that the F7 were obliged by compact or drake binding to limit Davien in some way…it does not seem to have worked though since he has an ambiguous corporate status for the moment…but maybe he, too, cannot go anywhere near grimwards or pass certain wards/gates? For that he needs Arithon?

originally posted by Andy

Maybe he consented to being rendered discorporate for reasons we do not yet understand.

Andy

originally posted by neil

Maybe, but Davien dislikes the state "intensely" and this change seems to have been a frustrating challenge for him. So I'd guess it was not his choice.

2.25 arcs to go yet :wink:

originally posted by Hannah

we know that F7 don't want Arithon aware of his crown jewels fucntions…curious that a masterbard law would not encompass this kind of knowledge? Maybe the royal jewels are a well kept secret.

I know that I've pulled a seriously long shift today, and am more-than-slightly giddy at the impending weekend, but… I giggled a lot harder and longer at this than I should have. I'm a dork, I know.

Hannah

originally posted by Trys

LOL Hannah!! I completed missed that when I read it.

originally posted by Neil

I now wonder why the sovreignty of athera passed to mankind from the paravians? Does a high king imply a low king (or would this be an earl?)

We know the paravian presence is a lot for humankind to endure but are they insufficiently numerous or unable look after Athera themselves…are they kind of "retired" from redeeming drakespawn? No kings anymore? Were the parvians kings all killed?!? Have more the responsibilies passed to mankind/F7 than at first appears?

Both paravians and human appear to have failed to control the meth-snakes…

originally posted by Tygrr

Janny - What were the names of all the towers at Ithamon? I can't seem to find them…

Tygrr - You Asked.

The Compass Points, or Sun Towers are as follows:

North, Alathwyr, white with alabaster combing, its binding quality being Wisdom.

East - Dunlaithe - black granite and obsidian, with a black tourmaline finial, its binding quality being endurance, or the Paravian concept of Honor.

South - Lilaere - rose quartz, its binding quality, Grace

West, Kieling, green jasper, its binding quality, compassion.

The fifth tower, at the city's height, was Daelthain, the King's Tower, its binding power being Justice (and so, Law) - this one at the time of the story is fallen to its foundation.

Curiosity: why this detail??

And - perhaps for a shake of a lamb's tail, the mighty Gryphon could add this listing to FAQ??? The passage in Mistwraith that lists them is partial.

originally posted by Trys

Added to the Athera FAQ.

originally posted by Tygrr

I was just curious, having recently done a reread and only finding the names of Alathwyr, Kieling and Daelthain…it made me wonder what beautiful names the others had as well! Thank you Janny for answering my question!!!

Added to the Wiki as well. Thanks :smiley:

https://wiki.paravia.com/wiki/Ithamon

Thanks, Gryphon and Brian!